I've got the funds, how to go 10.9999999

[Disloyal]

I have read that the V6 motors won't take very much power at all.

I'd like to have a minumum of 500 RWHP and some good torque with a DIY turbo kit.

What do I need to make a V6 shortblock good for at least 600-700 if not more ?

[pb_milan]

ughh
have fun

its probably possible, but nobody has gotten that far.
after several(many) setbacks, people usually give up the quest

[BaLleRz68]

I have read that the V6 motors won't take very much power at all.

I'd like to have a minumum of 500 RWHP and some good torque with a DIY turbo kit.

What do I need to make a V6 shortblock good for at least 600-700 if not more ?


no one has ever done that before....

[Clemens9]

I have read that the V6 motors won't take very much power at all.

I'd like to have a minumum of 500 RWHP and some good torque with a DIY turbo kit.

What do I need to make a V6 shortblock good for at least 600-700 if not more ?

Buy a buick :)

[dapack69]

Talk to the big three in the V6 business: Tom at supersixmotorsports.com RGR at www.rpm-mustangs.com or Morana at www.moranav6racing.com
These are the people you need to talk to if your serious about performance. Each one has there own stuff and carry the experiance along with the price tag to go with it. Talk to all three and put their experiance together to come with the most killer V6 there is.

Side note: I think your full of it.

[matthewneuharth]

Talk to the big three in the V6 business: Tom at supersixmotorsports.com RGR at www.rpm-mustangs.com or Morana at www.moranav6racing.com
These are the people you need to talk to if your serious about performance. Each one has there own stuff and carry the experiance along with the price tag to go with it. Talk to all three and put their experiance together to come with the most killer V6 there is.

Side note: I think your full of it.

why do you tink he is full of it??? with the right set up 500 rwhp is not that crazy. look at Coy miller and those S/Cs. they do like 440rwhp. Gt Eater has 430rwhp. with the right things and a good turbo setup 500rwhp is due able. i am trying for 500rwhp and a mid to high 10 sec pass. and i know it can be done.

[fr0IVIan]

Talk to the big three in the V6 business: Tom at supersixmotorsports.com RGR at www.rpm-mustangs.com or Morana at www.moranav6racing.com
These are the people you need to talk to if your serious about performance. Each one has there own stuff and carry the experiance along with the price tag to go with it. Talk to all three and put their experiance together to come with the most killer V6 there is.

Side note: I think your full of it.

why do you tink he is full of it??? with the right set up 500 rwhp is not that crazy. look at Coy miller and those S/Cs. they do like 440rwhp. Gt Eater has 430rwhp. with the right things and a good turbo setup 500rwhp is due able. i am trying for 500rwhp and a mid to high 10 sec pass. and i know it can be done.

yeah i think 500rwhp is very doable as well, i mean eater is at 430rwhp and that's before the new intercooler and new upper, and he's at 15psi supercharged. with all the goodies and turbo, 500rwhp should be attainable with a 1/4 in the 11's by accident in full street trim.

i want to see someone go nuts and put power from all that and 20+psi turbo boost to the wheels... 600rwhp?

[Jarrell]

Talk to the big three in the V6 business: Tom at supersixmotorsports.com RGR at www.rpm-mustangs.com or Morana at www.moranav6racing.com
These are the people you need to talk to if your serious about performance. Each one has there own stuff and carry the experiance along with the price tag to go with it. Talk to all three and put their experiance together to come with the most killer V6 there is.

Side note: I think your full of it.

RPM isn't RGR. RGR has his own shop called somthing like Robert Green Performance.

RPM is Mike. ;)

[matthewneuharth]

Talk to the big three in the V6 business: Tom at supersixmotorsports.com RGR at www.rpm-mustangs.com or Morana at www.moranav6racing.com
These are the people you need to talk to if your serious about performance. Each one has there own stuff and carry the experiance along with the price tag to go with it. Talk to all three and put their experiance together to come with the most killer V6 there is.

Side note: I think your full of it.

why do you tink he is full of it??? with the right set up 500 rwhp is not that crazy. look at Coy miller and those S/Cs. they do like 440rwhp. Gt Eater has 430rwhp. with the right things and a good turbo setup 500rwhp is due able. i am trying for 500rwhp and a mid to high 10 sec pass. and i know it can be done.




yeah i think 500rwhp is very doable as well, i mean eater is at 430rwhp and that's before the new intercooler and new upper, and he's at 15psi supercharged. with all the goodies and turbo, 500rwhp should be attainable with a 1/4 in the 11's by accident in full street trim.

i want to see someone go nuts and put power from all that and 20+psi turbo boost to the wheels... 600rwhp?


give me alittle bit of time. i am not gonna try 600rwhp. but 500-30 is it. i am not sure the block or the stock 4.2L crank could take much more then that.

[GT-EATER]

I"ll let you know Wednesday after the dyno .

[mikael]

Talk to the big three in the V6 business: Tom at supersixmotorsports.com RGR at www.rpm-mustangs.com or Morana at www.moranav6racing.com
These are the people you need to talk to if your serious about performance. Each one has there own stuff and carry the experiance along with the price tag to go with it. Talk to all three and put their experiance together to come with the most killer V6 there is.

Side note: I think your full of it.

Robert @ Robert Greene Racing, not @ RPM. Mik @ RPM (Not Mike, Jarrell! ;))

But anyway, small steps. We're slowly getting to the 10s. Two people in
the 11s, more creeping up on the 12s and 13s is almost common. All in
due time there will be 10s.

[mikey94_95]

Disloyal, I have a few questions:

1. Is a turbo a must?
2. Is this going to be a track-only car?
3. What year mustang are you looking at?

[fr0IVIan]

Disloyal, I have a few questions:

1. what about nitrous?
2. what about nitrous?
3. what about nitrous?

:D

[Jarrell]

[/quote]

Robert @ Robert Greene Racing, not @ RPM. Mik @ RPM (Not Mike, Jarrell! ;))
[/quote]

Yea sorry about that. :banghead:

I'm actually suprized that nobody really goes the N20 route. I'd think it wouldn't be too hard to just get forged internals, BV heads, matching cam, and a 150 shot. That could put you around 410 if you had a 4.2. But, more importantly you would have a barrell of tq.

[erikz451]

i love these pole smoker ideas...

Ive got the money - how do I go 10's?

How about - BUY A CAR that goes 10's.

Why waste all that money making a pig fly?

Buy something with wings...

To each his own...

[cobra232]

I have read that the V6 motors won't take very much power at all.

I'd like to have a minumum of 500 RWHP and some good torque with a DIY turbo kit.

What do I need to make a V6 shortblock good for at least 600-700 if not more ?

Buy a buick :)

Why when the ford 3.8 was an improved copy of the stage 1 buick block. the ford block is just as strong as the buick stage 1 and has better features than the stage 1 buick. like an on-center block(eliminating the need for offset con rods like the buick needs),no usless block skirt, far better oiling system, far better heads and rocker arm design.

my suggestions are:
nitride treat the crank
morana main girdle with main stud kit
head studs
weld butresses into the lifter valley to eliminate any chance of block splitting like the buick stage 1 was prone to doing
o-ring the block and heads to run 25+psi boost (if o-ring gaskets are available i`m not sure. i believe morana o-rings them for $160)
run 7.5:1 pistons like most buick guys do to handle high boost levels
forged rods H-beams for extreme use
have RGR spec a high lift high duration turbo cam
harland sharp roller rockers either 1.73`s or 1.8`s

if a buick can do 8.45@165 in the 1/4 the ford can too it`s just going to take some money

[GT-EATER]

Robert @ Robert Greene Racing, not @ RPM. Mik @ RPM (Not Mike, Jarrell! ;))
[/quote]

Yea sorry about that. :banghead:

I'm actually suprized that nobody really goes the N20 route. I'd think it wouldn't be too hard to just get forged internals, BV heads, matching cam, and a 150 shot. That could put you around 410 if you had a 4.2. But, more importantly you would have a barrell of tq.[/quote]

No you would have a barrell of parts !!!

[GT-EATER]

What I'd like to do is have a high performace steel crank made ,put h-beams ,maybe Scat rods, go a little higher on the compression maybe 9.5 to one on a 4.3 stroker with about 19 to 20 boost . Tom's working with
a company to get proper roller rockers then we can safely go up on lift
I think that would be a 7000 rpm Screamer!!!!

[Dan]

What I'd like to do is have a high performace steel crank made ,put h-beams ,maybe Scat rods, go a little higher on the compression maybe 9.5 to one on a 4.3 stroker with about 19 to 20 boost . Tom's working with
a company to get proper roller rockers then we can safely go up on lift
I think that would be a 7000 rpm Screamer!!!!

Someone get me the drawings from FORD for the stock crank and I will design/model a new strong forged one w/ rods. Whoever wants to pay someone to cut it all out.... that can be your job :)

[GT-EATER]

What I'd like to do is have a high performace steel crank made ,put h-beams ,maybe Scat rods, go a little higher on the compression maybe 9.5 to one on a 4.3 stroker with about 19 to 20 boost . Tom's working with
a company to get proper roller rockers then we can safely go up on lift
I think that would be a 7000 rpm Screamer!!!!

Someone get me the drawings from FORD for the stock crank and I will design/model a new strong forged one w/ rods. Whoever wants to pay someone to cut it all out.... that can be your job :)

cool now if you could only do CNC work I think a one time crank Tom said would be about 3500.00, made of high quality steel.

[mikey94_95]

fr0IVIan, you made me laugh hella hard. Yes, nitrous!

Jarrell, you made a good point. That's why I'm going to tackle it in '05.
The car needs to be super-light. Circa 2500lbs, which will be a feat in itself. I believe a 3.8 with forged internals, BV heads, SSX intake + TB, custom longtubes, and the most radical billet cam ever devised should do the trick. How much juice has yet to have been determined........
:)

[Jarrell]

No you would have a barrell of parts !!!

Naw If you ran the right gas, parts, and had a good tune it would be fine.

[Talleywacker]

I've already got a quote for a billet 4340 crank with a 4.05" stroke for 2,500 bucks.

Too bad I will never have that cash. Let alone the rods will be another $800.

bulletproof 4.6 V6 though thats for sure.

[GT-EATER]

I've already got a quote for a billet 4340 crank with a 4.05" stroke for 2,500 bucks.

Too bad I will never have that cash. Let alone the rods will be another $800.

bulletproof 4.6 V6 though thats for sure.

WhaT kind of rods ? thats not a bad price on the crank either .

[Rookie]

I don't know why people are giving him crap about this - he says he has the money - he's asking questions - and theoretically - why couldn't he get the power necessary to do this.

[quote madmax]Speed is a question of money - how fast you wanna go?[/quote madmax]

I think it would be entirely possible to make a powerful enough engine to go 10's - remember - it's a question of power/weight/traction.

Traction is actually the easiest part. 8.8 rear end, 31 spline axels, and nice sticky tires. Basically - the same way V8's apply power to the ground.

Weight is the next easiest part and we V6's actually have the advantage with the lighter engine. Strip out everything not needed on the car. Carpet, sound deadener, passenger seat, rear seat, amps, subs, spare tire and jack. Front sway bar. Go tubular on the front end. Skinny tires on the front. Dynabat battery. Coilovers all the way around. Big single exhaust. Plastic trim pieces not needed. Window motors. Everything not specifically needed to make the car run.

Engine will be the worst/most expensive part. Stud girdle, custom crankshaft to handle the power. You're going to need displacement, and I'd do it via stroke - not bore. With as much compression as you're going to have to run - you'll need all the strength you can get out of the block. Sadly - they don't make a race block for the v6 like they do some of the v8's (like Dart's new windsor block). Hbeam rods, forged pistons. Port the hell out of the heads. Extrude hone the intakes. Custom cam. O-ring the heads. Get the car running as strong as possible without forced induction. Then - I'd run turbos.

Roots blowers start off good, and can taper off. Centrifugals do well on top, but start off slow. Turbos though - once they spool - generate a flat boost curve which can be tuned via the wastegate. 20+ psi will be be required - and that means turbos. What I think would be interesting would be two different turbos. One that has a small turbine and can spool quickly, and one large one for high rpm high boost.

Then of course - you'll need a fuel system for this. That's not going to be easy either - that suckers gonna have to be tuned to a T.

To be honest - that engine is going to cost you a bunch. You're looking at a minimum of 14 grand to get the 500+hp - and that's assuming it can be done.

So - a used 4.6 V8 can be had for 2 grand. Electronics $750 more (harness, computer, etc). 11psi blower 3 grand more. So for half the price of a dedicated v6 buildup - your 4.6 will hit 450-500hp... For another 1500 - you can get a forged piston/rod set which will handle 800Hp. The 4.6 has 6 bolt mains and a steel crank to start - it was made to be modded.

That by the way - is why it hasn't been done with a v6 yet. It's so much easier to build a v8 to 500Hp.

[cobra232]

I don't know why people are giving him crap about this - he says he has the money - he's asking questions - and theoretically - why couldn't he get the power necessary to do this.

[quote madmax]Speed is a question of money - how fast you wanna go?[/quote madmax]

I think it would be entirely possible to make a powerful enough engine to go 10's - remember - it's a question of power/weight/traction.

Traction is actually the easiest part. 8.8 rear end, 31 spline axels, and nice sticky tires. Basically - the same way V8's apply power to the ground.

Weight is the next easiest part and we V6's actually have the advantage with the lighter engine. Strip out everything not needed on the car. Carpet, sound deadener, passenger seat, rear seat, amps, subs, spare tire and jack. Front sway bar. Go tubular on the front end. Skinny tires on the front. Dynabat battery. Coilovers all the way around. Big single exhaust. Plastic trim pieces not needed. Window motors. Everything not specifically needed to make the car run.

Engine will be the worst/most expensive part. Stud girdle, custom crankshaft to handle the power. You're going to need displacement, and I'd do it via stroke - not bore. With as much compression as you're going to have to run - you'll need all the strength you can get out of the block. Sadly - they don't make a race block for the v6 like they do some of the v8's (like Dart's new windsor block). Hbeam rods, forged pistons. Port the hell out of the heads. Extrude hone the intakes. Custom cam. O-ring the heads. Get the car running as strong as possible without forced induction. Then - I'd run turbos.

Roots blowers start off good, and can taper off. Centrifugals do well on top, but start off slow. Turbos though - once they spool - generate a flat boost curve which can be tuned via the wastegate. 20+ psi will be be required - and that means turbos. What I think would be interesting would be two different turbos. One that has a small turbine and can spool quickly, and one large one for high rpm high boost.

Then of course - you'll need a fuel system for this. That's not going to be easy either - that suckers gonna have to be tuned to a T.

To be honest - that engine is going to cost you a bunch. You're looking at a minimum of 14 grand to get the 500+hp - and that's assuming it can be done.

So - a used 4.6 V8 can be had for 2 grand. Electronics $750 more (harness, computer, etc). 11psi blower 3 grand more. So for half the price of a dedicated v6 buildup - your 4.6 will hit 450-500hp... For another 1500 - you can get a forged piston/rod set which will handle 800Hp. The 4.6 has 6 bolt mains and a steel crank to start - it was made to be modded.

That by the way - is why it hasn't been done with a v6 yet. It's so much easier to build a v8 to 500Hp.

why have buick builders found it relativly easy but still expensive to get 500+ hp? the ford block can handle anything the production stage 1 buick can. and i know of several buicks that are well over 500rwhp in my area.

i don`t know of too many 4.6`s that can hang with most buicks and that goes for 4v 4.6`s too

the 3.8 ford is stronger than the production buick and alittle less strong as the stage 2 buick which the ford most closely resembles. all it takes is a copy of a good buick build and the 3.8 ford will deliver.

i can`t say it enough times anything the buick can do the ford can do also.

just look at a buick engine and spend some time comparing the similarities between it and the ford and you will agree. the ford 3.8 can do as much as the production buick