Eaton SC Install!

[CoJo98v6]

Well I got the blower on the car and all the misc. installed. All I have to do is hook up the intercooler pipes, the EGR, Intake to TB, and plumb the heater hoses. Then go get it Tuned.
Heres some pix:
http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/cojo98v6/lst?.dir=/Supercharger
images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[pb_milan]

phat

nice work!

what is with all the SC's in mustang's with colorful engine bay's images/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Nytebreed]

Badassed.
nice clean install.

[stylin97]

nice, but red and purple? heh images/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[99whitestang]

AWESOME!! images/smiles/icon_cool.gif

Is that the blower off a Supercoupe? Do you have the '99-up heads or did you stick with the '94-'98 setup? trying to refresh my memory of your setup images/smiles/icon_wink.gif


Did you paint all the engine bay red like that?

[stylin97]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by 99whitestang:
Do you have the '99-up heads or did you stick with the '94-'98 setup? <hr></blockquote>


99+ heads and lower wont work

[pb_milan]

the 99 heads WILL work, but the 99 lower will not, since the blower won't bolt up the to the '99 lower

someone is working on making a custom lower so that the SC blower will work with the split port heads

[CoJo98v6]

-Still single port heads.
-Didnt paint the engine bay, but I painted all the brackets, heads, intake, and SC red.

[DerekLai]

purple??? i'm sorry... but your engine is just as ugly if not uglier then gaston's

[V6Sprout]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by pb_milan:
the 99 heads WILL work, but the 99 lower will not, since the blower won't bolt up the to the '99 lower

someone is working on making a custom lower so that the SC blower will work with the split port heads<hr></blockquote>

ANYTHING will work if oyu ahve the money to make it work, but as it stands right now 99 heads WILL NOT work without a custom lower, Morana WAS making one but not to sell, just for fun really, not sure if he ever finished either, but it will not be going into production since making a mould for the lower is too expensive and it takes a lot of welding and cutting to make the lower, I have seen it in progress, I wonder if he ever finished it.

Check the Power Adders forum for the HOW TO article I wrote with PICS on how to put the Supercoupe roots blower on a mustang. Now time to actually check out these pics! images/smiles/icon_smile.gif


Very cool pics. What kinda IC you running there bro?

Derek your just jealous cause you engine is DIRTY colored images/smiles/icon_smile.gif And not some pretty pink like oyu want.

[ October 15, 2002: Message edited by: V6Sprout ]</p>

[CoJo98v6]

I'm using a Saab 900 intercooler, its not the biggest thing, but it has 2.25" intlet/outlets.
Yeah I know "purple". I wanted somthing different. It really grows on you though. It looks a lot better in person, Trust me. images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif
I'll have to cut and weld the EGR tube to make it fit, its about 4" too long, but it will work.

[CoJo98v6]

I'll take some pix of the EGR setup for you tomorrow. Here is some pix of the intercooler that I got off of eBay: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/cojo98v6/lst?.dir=/Intercooler


Once I get all of this done I will take photos of everything. Theres a lot of little things that have to be tweaked.

[V6Sprout]

got close ups of your EGR setup? I wanna see, also do you have pics of your IC?

[Lunchbox]

Cool!

*waits for a newb to ask "can i do this to
my car for cheap?" or "wheres the parts list"*

[V6Sprout]

how to with pics and parts list

Roots blower how to with pics (http://www.v6power.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=27&t=001073)

[ October 16, 2002: Message edited by: V6Sprout ]</p>

[V6Sprout]

wow, thats a tiny IC but I like the cooling lines that can be run through it, is that a water to air intercooler? Yeah mine still needs some tweeking as well, but I woiuld like to get the EGR hoooked up for when I go for emissions and then take it back off, or at least see the difference I get with it on and off, let me know when you get the EGR pics.

[JTLV6]

Where did you get the supercharger from? I'd like to look into getting one.

Thanks,

Jason

[CoJo98v6]

Yeah, the intercooler is not that big, but its a plate type. I think its about 4" thick and the tubes are about 1/8" - 3/16" tall, so it should flow good. Its an air to air style.
It was way to cold outside to work on it today, but its suppose to be warm tomorrow, so I will get several photos of the EGR setup for ya.
Hopefully I will get everything done tomorrow and be able to start it. images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[V6Sprout]

thanks bro!

JTLV6 check here for info on putting that blower on your car, you may think twice about it, but here is the info on the how-to articel I made.

Supercoupe Roots blower how-to article (http://www.v6power.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=27&t=001073)

[CoJo98v6]

Well I got you alot of photos of the EGR tube. All I had to do is cut about 3.5" off and bend it a little and it fits perfect. I wrapped the end of the tube with exhaust wrap, it comes real close to the heater hoses.
http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/cojo98v6/lst?.dir=/EGR

[V6Sprout]

damn thats close to your heater core hoses, how does your throttle cable clear it? Good thing you wrapped it in header tape otherwise it would probably burn through your heater core hoses.

Also, do you have a 5-speed? My auto tranny dipstick tube sits right where your EGR tube would be so mine would have to be modified a little more. I also noticed you used the mustang EGR valve cause the SC valve exits out the bottom instead of the side like the mustang ones, I have a SC valve so may try that. MInd you I need a new intake since my intake does not even have the EGR valve so I can't even bolt mine up to the intake, some years had the valve opening capped off on the intake and others just didn't have them on the intake period.

Thanks for the pics bro!

[CoJo98v6]

It RUNS!!! I think that I have a small Vac. leak. It idles fine (1000RPM), but if you just tap the throttle the engine spins up (2,100RPM), hangs there, then drops back down (1,000RPM). I have a vid of the vac. gauge while it does this.

Here are some pix and some vids:
http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/cojo98v6/lst?.dir=/Supercharger&.view=l

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by V6Sprout:
Also, do you have a 5-speed? QB]<hr></blockquote>

I have an Auto. Mabey its how the '98 headers are.

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by V6Sprout:
[QB]damn thats close to your heater core hoses, how does your throttle cable clear it?<hr></blockquote>

The throttle cable comes out right next to it, so I wrapped it in some foil backed fiberglass tape.

[V6Sprout]

cool, thanks! I couldn't see anything in the first video, too dark, second video confuses me, when you hit the gas you don't hit any boost and your vac increases, are you seeing ANY boost?

[CoJo98v6]

No, I never see boost (its in park). Every time I tap the gas it does that (second vid). I cheked everthing, vac lines, tested Actuator (it sticks a little just before it opens, sometimes). I dont know whats causing it to do that. Any thoughts? I have another blower thats not ported, I may try that just to see if thats the problem.
The first few times I started the car it fired right up. Now I have to give it about 3/4 throtttle to strat it and give it gas for awhile or it will just die. Could this be a vac. leak? Just before it dies it dips down to about 8-9" on the vac. gauge.
Any thoughts or suggestions?

[Clemens9]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by CoJo98v6:
Could this be a vac. leak? Just before it dies it dips down to about 8-9" on the vac. gauge.
Any thoughts or suggestions?<hr></blockquote>

It definetally could be a vacuum leak, but with the blower whistling anyways, it will be hard to find. The obvious places are the lower to heads, and the valve covers. Use some carb cleaner, and spray around the areas that might be leaking, if the car changes tone, then thats where your leak is. Good luck.

[V6Sprout]

put the un ported blower on, your blower is WAY WAY over ported, even more ported then mine, thats will cause a huge drop in boost. With my blower max boost is only 8psi, its has been tested on more then one car too, max 8psi and thats because its over ported.

The blower needs the metal in there to create boost, remember boost is a measure of restriction, well if you remove the ENTIRE restriction like your blower has, then how can it create boost? I have a semi-ported blower I will be using, the one I have on there now is only temp until I get mine rebuilt.

Put the stock one back on adn see what happens. I bet you'll see boost then. As for the Vac leak, make sure the connections are real good where the blower top meats the IC tubes and where the IC tube meats the rear intake tube.

[CoJo98v6]

I cant even see the lower to heads, its so packed in there now. I used Fel-pro gaskets and smeared high temp RTV on both side of the gasket and torqued it in the correct sequence. I dont have the vac. lines hooked up to the valve covers, pluged the vac. port on the intake.

I'm using 42lb injectors and a 80mm Pro-M calb. for the injectors. Could it be running rich or lean? Would that cause this. I do not get a CE light. I presurized all the intercooler tubes after I welded them to check for leaks.

Here are some vids to show what it is doing. I started it 3 times now and it fires right up.
-The first vid I started it and tapped the gas, then let it idle.
-The second vid I put it in gear then back to Park.
-Third vid is the engine running.
Heres the link: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/cojo98v6/lst?.dir=/SC_Problems&.view=l
Thanks.

[ October 20, 2002: Message edited by: CoJo98v6 ]</p>

[V6Sprout]

did you say you had another LOWER or BLOWER, your post says BLOWER, your lower intake is fine, I think the blower might be the problem, being overported.

You were the one I traded the blower tops with right? You bought your blower off ebay? Or am I thinking of someone else?

EDIT: OK I just watched the video's, you seem a little low on vac but not too too bad. Have you taken it out for a spin yet?

[ October 20, 2002: Message edited by: V6Sprout ]</p>

[CoJo98v6]

I just took it for a spin, I only hit 7psi. It does run alot better now, but it still spins up in rpm then goes back down when you tap the gas.

I have both an extra Lower and an unported Blower.

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by V6Sprout:

You were the one I traded the blower tops with right? You bought your blower off ebay? Or am I thinking of someone else?
[ October 20, 2002: Message edited by: V6Sprout ]<hr></blockquote>

Yes I am.

Thanks for the help.

[whitestang98]

Hey, this is a completely stock mustang motor, right? Do you have forged internals or anything of the like?

I always thaught the compression ratio of our motors would make them self-destruct with the addition of a roots blower. I have a whole s/c motor here and may put the blower right on my stock motor for kicks if you can get yours running right.

Keep us updated!
Josh

[CoJo98v6]

I have a completly stock bottom end. I have ported heads, cam, and RR.

[V6Sprout]

I am running a complete SC motor but my pistons are at a 9:1 compression ratio which is the same as the mustang pistons. No one really knows how long the stock mustang boittom end will hold up but its cool to see someone trying it. I wanted to but didn't get a chance.

CoJo, put your stock blower on and see how much boost you get, I bet you'll get way more. I can change my blower in about 20min, its not hard at all. Try that and let us know what happens.

[CoJo98v6]

I finally gave it a good test and I hit 9psi at 4,000 rpms. I didn't want to go any higher with out a tune.
I might put the unported blower on tonight and see what happes. The Blower looks very easy to swap out, the only hard part is going to be the EGR tube.
The intercooler makes a huge difference. The tube coming out of the SC is very hot and the tube from the IC is nice and cool. I'm very surprised the little IC can remove that much heat.

[V6Sprout]

yeah same with mine, the one coming off the blower is too hot to touch but the one coming back in is cool enough to put your hand on, how long did you run it? The longer you run it the hotter the return pipe will get but still much much less, the engine heat heats it up a bit too, I may wrap mine in header tape later on, not sure yet. I want to chrome them so not sure if I want the header wrap on there, may test it out one day though.

[CoJo98v6]

Well I got the blower changed today. That made a huge difference in power, plus it does not whine so loud. It sounded like a really bad gear install. It has a nice lite whine and a loud whistle. I love the sound of the blower whistle. The car has so much bottom end power, I can light the tires (255/45ZR17) up with no problem by just taking off from a dead stop. I've only given it at most 3/4 throttle.

It still runs funny at idle when in park. It spins up in RPM a little (1500rpm), hangs there for a second, then goes back down too 900rpm when you tap the gas. It does not do this as bad with the diff. blower. Mabey it just needs tuned.

I get it tuned Thursday at Cerra Racing.
http://www.cerraracing.com/index.cfm

I'll take some photos and some vids of the install tomorrow.
images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[V6Sprout]

I knew the unported blower would be better, the one you had on was too ported. Glad to see it helped. I love the blower whine too, its awesome. Can't wait to see the new video's and get some track times soon if you can, although it may be a little late this year so hopefully early next year.

[mikael]

sprout: how do you know his blower is overported?
did i miss a pic somewhere?

[V6Sprout]

i saw the blower when he won it off eBay, all the material has been cut away where the air exits the blower. I'll get a pic of a mildly ported blower versus my other one which was over ported, (it has been tested on 2 different cars and can only produce a max of 8 psi on both cars with different IC's so itds not my IC that is keeping the boost down) his has everything cut away so if mine is overported with only half cut away then his is real bad.

Couldn't find the comparison pic I have but here is a pic of a stock blower unported, basically all the material is removed on his, this material is needed in order to have a restriction to create the boost, if too much is removed there is not enough to create boost, thus why mine only create 8psi and his even less. I highlighted the area on his that was removed, basically all material. You can see both rotors completely if I remember correctly.

http://www.mustangmods.com/publish/V6Sprout//Roots%20blower%20stock1.jpg

[ October 23, 2002: Message edited by: V6Sprout ]</p>

[V6Sprout]

Is your IAT sensor just before your TB? That may be causing a problem, its suppose to be on the rear intake that attaches to the lower intake, having it before the blower you are not reading the hot air coming into the motor, the blower puts out really hot air and you want the IAT to sense actual air temps going into the motor, I would extend your wire over to the proper IAT sensor which I see you have sitting there just disconnected, try that and see what happens.

[ October 24, 2002: Message edited by: V6Sprout ]</p>

[CoJo98v6]

I pulled one of the plugs today and that thing was black, so its running really rich. Mabey thats why it runs wierd at idle.
I made a plate that bolt where the TB goes and hooked the air compressor up to it. I put 10psi in it and could not find any leaks in the whole system.
I get it tuned tomorrow. The last track day is this Friday, I hope to make it there.
Here is some pix of the install:
I included a pic of the ported blower.
http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/cojo98v6/lst?.dir=/SC_Install&.view=l

[ October 24, 2002: Message edited by: CoJo98v6 ]</p>

[CoJo98v6]

Back from the Dyno tune, I made 217RWHP and 258ft-lbs of torque. It was running extremly rich. He just got it running good and a gasket blew. I think it is the one for the intake plenum? You can hear air hissing every time you hit boost. It was running alot better after the tune. Heres the Dyno chart:
http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/cojo98v6/lst?.dir=/Dyno

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by V6Sprout:
Is your IAT sensor just before your TB? That may be causing a problem, its suppose to be on the rear intake that attaches to the lower intake, having it before the blower you are not reading the hot air coming into the motor, the blower puts out really hot air and you want the IAT to sense actual air temps going into the motor, I would extend your wire over to the proper IAT sensor which I see you have sitting there just disconnected, try that and see what happens.

[ October 24, 2002: Message edited by: V6Sprout ]<hr></blockquote>

I hooked up the IAT and it made a slight improvement.

[BKB]

Do as V6sprout said and move the IAT back to the intercooler return plunum. The computer thinks its sucking 60' air but its actualy getting 120' causing a rich problem.

[DMX]

--back from the dead--

Whatever happened to this? I thought it was just BKB Sprout and mysefl with the supercoupe parts.

[CoJo98v6]

I'm still here. I haven't had any problems with this setup except for toasting a transmission, but I was having problems with it before I put the Eaton on the car.
Heres a pic of it all powder coated: http://f1.pg.briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/cojo98v6/lst?.dir=/Eaton

[DMX]

oooh pretty :eek:

I envy how you guys can basically drop in an go with that roomy engine bay, i swear mine is the most getto rigged system ever :-)

All things considered though it still runs good and strong (except for a recent ticking)

I see a raised hat on there (nice!) Is that one of the better 94/95 blowers too? Got any numbers yet? :-)

[SpeedKillz]

hey, do you have the Magnum Powers Intake Plenum and is it a S-port blower?

[CoJo98v6]

No track times just dyno numbers (non performance tune). http://f1.pg.briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/cojo98v6/lst?.dir=/Dyno

I moded the top myself. Raised it 3/4".

Just stock parts off of a '93 SC. With a few changes here and there.


The only track times that I have are on my cycle. Best 1/4 is 11.626.

[SpeedKillz]

Thanks allot, I have couple of more questions, who ported the heads?
How heavily are they ported, any NA dyno numbers or flow numbers?
Thanks.

[CoJo98v6]

I ported the heads myself. They are heavily ported.
I wish I had some flow number, but I dont. I never had it dynoed because I planed on installing the supercharger, which I did a few months later.
I installed everthing on my car and did all of the farbricating.

[SpeedKillz]

Thanks allot.