Custom Delk 4.2 Now DOA

[_J_]

Originally Posted by slvr2000stang

I am in the process of rebuilding.
There were some design flaws in this one that are being fixed.

More to come.......

good to know its all working out K... keep us posted bro.. man
totally did not have a good night sleep last night man.. you will
still make the race correct?

[slvr2000stang]

Originally Posted by _J_

good to know its all working out K... keep us posted bro.. man
totally did not have a good night sleep last night man.. you will
still make the race correct?

Only with the Lightning

Picks of the carnage of the custom Delk 4.2 motor. Still waiting to be reimbursed for the failed parts.

[NMStang218]

YIKES! Sorry to hear/see that man

How many Delk motors does this make so far?

[_J_]

Originally Posted by slvr2000stang

Only with the Lightning

Picks of the carnage of the custom Delk 4.2 motor. Still waiting to be reimbursed for the failed parts.]

Hey K .. did you get reimbursed on the Delk motor parts? ahh old thread can't remember what came of it..

[slvr2000stang]

Originally Posted by _J_

Hey K .. did you get reimbursed on the Delk motor parts? ahh old thread can't remember what came of it..

Not yet, Still waiting.

[_J_]

Originally Posted by slvr2000stang

Not yet, Still waiting.

wtf? thats like 10 months ago.. whats the hold up?

[86lxnotch]

get on the phone and raise some hell man. thats the only way i seem to be able to get stuff done sometimes

[slvr2000stang]

Everything is documented. The ball is in their court to settle for the parts.

If it goes longer I might have to go Legal for the full cost of the motor.

[Phil]

Has it ever been determined what went wrong? E.g., lack of oiling properly? Bearing failure? Tune too lean? Overheating? Wrong offset on the pistons? Wrong breakin procedure or type of oil? Piston tolerances too tight or too loose? Wrong rings for the pistons? Piston to cylinder bore too tight? Improper lube during assembly? Any wrong parts?

[_J_]

Originally Posted by 86lxnotch

get on the phone and raise some hell man. thats the only way i seem to be able to get stuff done sometimes

x2 .. K.. is a nice guy.. too nice .. when things comes to money he got
to put that nice guy on the bench!!

Originally Posted by slvr2000stang

Everything is documnetated. The ball is in their court to settle for the parts.

If it goes longer I might have to go Legal for the full cost of the motor.

man K.. don't wait too long .. they may be a legal limit for when you need to
take action!! you are way too nice bro.. hard working money is money!!!

[86lxnotch]

from alot of stuff i have seen i THINK 1 year might be the limit. i would jump all over them asap either way

[FR350]

Put a picture up of your cylinder head, I would like to see how much oil is being pumped around from the ports to the combustion chambers. Did the engine smoke at start up or WOT (wide open throttle), are you running PCV?

[P-feif]

Originally Posted by FR350

Put a picture up of your cylinder head, I would like to see how much oil is being pumped around from the ports to the combustion chambers. Did the engine smoke at start up or WOT (wide open throttle), are you running PCV?

I ain't say'n nothi'n Kirk...............

[slvr2000stang]

Originally Posted by FR350

Put a picture up of your cylinder head, I would like to see how much oil is being pumped around from the ports to the combustion chambers. Did the engine smoke at start up or WOT (wide open throttle), are you running PCV?

Lots of blowby smoke at idle. very low oil pressure. PCV was deleted.

[Suprman]

Originally Posted by slvr2000stang

Everything is documnetated. The ball is in their court to settle for the parts.

If it goes longer I might have to go Legal for the full cost of the motor.

that right there would make me weary of dealing with Delk, among the other issues that have come up as of late. Reputation is everything. It only takes one bad situation to ruin a reputation, even if there are 1000's of good.

[_J_]

Originally Posted by Suprman

that right there would make me weary of dealing with Delk, among the other issues that have come up as of late. Reputation is everything. It only takes one bad situation to ruin a reputation, even if there are 1000's of good.

yeah but I don't see why they would let it come to that .. the motor was built
wrong and or had defective parts .. all they have to do it pay for them parts..

when I had issues .. I got paid for everything not just the parts but my time
as well and my ford guy time to re-do stuff .. so I got paid for both parts and labor!!
now that type of biz is class act to me .. one reason why I will only deal with RPM

[Suprman]

Originally Posted by _J_

yeah but I don't see why they would let it come to that .. the motor was built
wrong and or had defective parts .. all they have to do it pay for them parts..

when I had issues .. I got paid for everything not just the parts but my time
as well and my ford guy time to re-do stuff .. so I got paid for both parts and labor!!
now that type of biz is class act to me .. one reason why I will only deal with RPM

Yeah, we all understand things go wrong, but if your the business, man up and do anything and everything you can to fix it.

This is one reason Super Six gets my business and will forever, they are stand up guys, probably the best I know, and one great thing is nothing ever seems to go wrong in the first place, unless someone forgets to put the oil filter on, that is!

But yeah, in my mind, Super six and RPM are the only tested and trusted guys for our motors right now.

[FR350]

That is alot of money to have that many things wrong, I'm sure Delk realizes that they designed and built a bad engine and will give you all your money back. Dam dude if you parted with that much money to me I would give you my big 6 and a spare brand new 4.2 stocker, heck I would throw in one of my intake manifolds or two.

[slvr2000stang]

Originally Posted by FR350

That is alot of money to have that many things wrong, I'm sure Delk realizes that they designed and built a bad engine and will give you all your money back. Dam dude if you parted with that much money to me I would give you my big 6 and a spare brand new 4.2 stocker, heck I would throw in one of my intake manifolds or two.

I know you would.

We will have to see how Delk comes through.

[itschristorres8]

you wouldnt happen to have pictures on the porting would you?
ive only seen one set of heads and well....they werent to hot
but the flow numbers are amazing.....

[_J_]

Originally Posted by Suprman

Yeah, we all understand things go wrong, but if your the business, man up and do anything and everything you can to fix it.

But yeah, in my mind, Super six and RPM are the only tested and trusted guys for our motors right now.

x2 I 100% agree .. ANY good business will stand behind their product and support their customers!!!
things goes wrong sometimes but thats the cost of doing business!!
Try to not have issues in the first place and if there are issues you got to support your customer(s)!!!
and ANY good business will!!

[_J_]

Originally Posted by itschristorres8

you wouldnt happen to have pictures on the porting would you?
ive only seen one set of heads and well....they werent to hot
but the flow numbers are amazing.....

IMO flow numbers can't be compare with any of the vendors heads so
at this time it does not matter what anyone say their flow numbers are
until all the heads from all the vendors and put on the same flow bench!!

The only way to tell who is flowing better is from (boost) psi to power ratio!!
and even then the overall setup/tune needs to be very similar ..

so yeah flow numbers manes nothing right now, boost to power ratio is what
you got to look for until they all flow their heads on the same system/setup IMO.. just my 0.2c

[_J_]

Originally Posted by slvr2000stang

Not yet, Still waiting.

Omg man .. Kirk!!!

The more I think about this the more I am getting upset bro!!!
How can anyone treat you like this bro, you are one of the best guys
around!! and putting your hard earn money into their hands and now
when something went wrong they F**k you over!! this is BS bro!!!

Matt works at Delk .. can Matt help resolve this issues for you Kirk,
send him a PM?

Matt!!! If you are reading this man.. can you PLEASE do something to help K.. out!!!
You know he is a good honest guy!! He should not be treated like this bro!!
see what you can do to help out man!!!

[slvr2000stang]

Originally Posted by _J_

Omg man .. Kirk!!!

The more I think about this the more I am getting upset bro!!!
How can anyone treat you like this bro, you are one of the best guys
around!! and putting your hard earn money into their hands and now
when something went wrong they F**k you over!! this is BS bro!!!

Matt works at Delk .. can Matt help resolve this issues for you Kirk,
send him a PM?

Matt!!! If you are reading this man.. can you PLEASE do something to help K.. out!!!
You know he is a good honest guy!! He should not be treated like this bro!!
see what you can do to help out man!!!

Matt is just an Employee, Brent one of the owners is who I am dealing with. It's his business and he is able to choose the way he wishes to run it.

[slvr2000stang]

Ports on the heads.

[FR350]

Originally Posted by _J_

IMO flow numbers can't be compare with any of the vendors heads so
at this time it does not matter what anyone say their flow numbers are
until all the heads from all the vendors and put on the same flow bench!!

The only way to tell who is flowing better is from (boost) psi to power ratio!!
and even then the overall setup/tune needs to be very similar ..

so yeah flow numbers manes nothing right now, boost to power ratio is what
you got to look for until they all flow their heads on the same system/setup IMO.. just my 0.2c

This is what I have been saying for the past 5 years, I wanted to have anyone bring their heads to the '04 V6FC at Livernois and stick them on the flow bench to compare. I had my heads there and even let Gaston "finger them", I have been open with my research and will stand up to all results I claim.

With enough boost a bad set of heads will pass enough air to make power and that is why the single port heads require more boost than the split-port heads ala "boost to power ratio", as I have said for many years also the single-port heads can never match the flow potiential of the split-port heads. Matt has done a good job with his combination but if you look at his boost ratio you can see the engine output is low with that much boost, if he had a good set of split-ports he should be in the 750+ RWHP range.

Lets just settle down and wait to see what Delk is going to do, the ball is in their court.

[_J_]

Originally Posted by FR350

This is what I have been saying for the past 5 years, I wanted to have anyone bring their heads to the '04 V6FC at Livernois and stick them on the flow bench to compare. I had my heads there and even let Gaston "finger them", I have been open with my research and will stand up to all results I claim.

With enough boost a bad set of heads will pass enough air to make power and that is why the single port heads require more boost than the split-port heads ala "boost to power ratio", as I have said for many years also the single-port heads can never match the flow potiential of the split-port heads. Matt has done a good job with his combination but if you look at his boost ratio you can see the engine output is low with that much boost, if he had a good set of split-ports he should be in the 750+ RWHP range.

Lets just settle down and wait to see what Delk is going to do, the ball is in their court.

OMG!!! lmao is there anything he will not finger!! ..

x2 tho would be so cool to finally see everyone heads on the same flow bench!!
single port has nothing on split-port lol if I would even attempt to run that major
boost level you’ll be looking at 800+rwhp and a blown motor !!!

Originally Posted by slvr2000stang

Matt is just an Employee, Brent one of the owners is who I am dealing with. It's his business and he is able to choose the way he wishes to run it.

Well I consider Matt a friend .. so in away it should be like asking a friend to
ask his boss to step up .. even if its just once lol but yeah I hear ya.. keep
up posted I'll try to cool down lol

[slvr2000stang]

Originally Posted by _J_

Well I consider Matt a friend .. so in away it should be like asking a friend to
ask his boss to step up .. even if its just once lol but yeah I hear ya.. keep
up posted I'll try to cool down lol

I also consider him a friend, but I also understand the tough position he is in.

[Handsome Rob]

I dont know how it is in the US but if you dont take action within a specific time limit then it will be thrown out of the courts in canada.? just thought i'd throw that in there.

[itschristorres8]

Originally Posted by slvr2000stang

Ports on the heads.

are all of them like this?
if so no matter the flow i'd have to pass

[slvr2000stang]

The lower intake looks the same.

[_J_]

Originally Posted by slvr2000stang

I also consider him a friend, but I also understand the tough position he is in.

ahh very true .. hope Matt knows he is cool in our book and this got nothing
to do with him .. was just hoping he could help somehow .. but I hear ya ..

Originally Posted by itschristorres8

are all of them like this?
if so no matter the flow i'd have to pass

I think I know why the flow numbers are high

Originally Posted by slvr2000stang

The lower intake looks the same.

omg thats the worst post job I have ever seen!!! why is the long runner posts looks so crazy?

[matthewneuharth]

Originally Posted by FR350

With enough boost a bad set of heads will pass enough air to make power and that is why the single port heads require more boost than the split-port heads ala "boost to power ratio", as I have said for many years also the single-port heads can never match the flow potiential of the split-port heads. Matt has done a good job with his combination but if you look at his boost ratio you can see the engine output is low with that much boost, if he had a good set of split-ports he should be in the 750+ RWHP range.

Lets just settle down and wait to see what Delk is going to do, the ball is in their court.

if it was a 5 spd it would. remeber i am makeing about 950flywheel. not too bad ehh

[slvr2000stang]

Yep the opening actually extends past the O-ring gasket sealing point and is nothing like the correct shape.

[_J_]

Originally Posted by slvr2000stang

Yep the opening actually extends past the O-ring gasket sealing point and is nothing like the correct shape.

Omg bro.. them heads looks like it had a major accident!! with the porting tool lol

[slvr2000stang]

Originally Posted by _J_

Omg bro.. them heads looks like it had a major accident!! with the porting tool lol

Yes it does

[Ooomph]

Sorry for the newb question but what does the ugly porting have to do with the piston scuff, bearing & ring failure?

I'm not trying to - just concerned in that I'm a weekend away from dropping off my motor for the 4.3 rebuild. I just want to know if the actual failed item has been identified and explained.

[itschristorres8]

wow who knows what you woulda made with correctly ported heads and intakes

[FR350]

Originally Posted by matthewneuharth

if it was a 5 spd it would. remeber i am makeing about 950flywheel. not too bad ehh

Matt you have had your engine on a dyno stand or are you adding the industry standard of 17% to your wheel total?

What was the flow #'s of Kirks heads, as I remember they were 320+ cfm on the intake? Does anyone remember the post with the flow #'s?

[slvr2000stang]

Stock valves:

Originally Posted by slvr2000stang

We have preliminary flow numbers for the heads with the stock valves.
After adding the new bigger valves we should gain a little more.

int
.100 64
.200 156
.300 189
.400 230
.500 264
.600 291
.650 310

ex
.100 52
.200 98
.300 130
.400 160
.500 190
.600 211


.

Final flow numbers:

Originally Posted by slvr2000stang

Final head flow numbers:


intake
.100 69
.200 164
.300 198
.400 239
.500 268
.600 294
.700 319

exhaust
.100 59
.200 104
.300 142
.400 173
.500 201
.600 224
.700 231

[FR350]

Yep now I remember, you are going to tell me the pictures of those heads were done by a professional head porter and with stock valves that flow over 300 cfm? Kirk send me one of those heads and I will put it on a 1020 bench, I have heads that don't flow that much and would like to see it with my own eyes.

[slvr2000stang]

Originally Posted by FR350

Yep now I remember, you are going to tell me the pictures of those heads were done by a professional head porter and with stock valves that flow over 300 cfm? Kirk send me one of those heads and I will put it on a 1020 bench, I have heads that don't flow that much and would like to see it with my own eyes.

I would love to But I have sent the Custom Stage 3 heads, lower intake, pistons, bearings, and valves to Delk so they could personally inspect them back on May 09, 2008.

[matthewneuharth]

Originally Posted by FR350

Matt you have had your engine on a dyno stand or are you adding the industry standard of 17% to your wheel total?

What was the flow #'s of Kirks heads, as I remember they were 320+ cfm on the intake? Does anyone remember the post with the flow #'s?

nope more like a 30% loss in a non-lock up c4 trans.

[ZStang]

Oh. I must've missed this thread. Sorry to hear Kirk. So what's next engine-wise? Stock 4.2? I know you must miss driving that convt.

[CobraSnakebyte]

OMG The return of Zeke!

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Kirk, I really hope all of this gets straightened out for you soon. I'd really like to see your car make some passes at the next race (if it happens)