Rebecca's 06 4.0L Manual, 210rwhp and 247rwtq

justin00v6 · 03-20-2006, 05:18 AM

I finally got rebeccas car on the dyno yesterday. It made 186rwhp and 225rwtq stock, with 87 in the tank.

First thing I tried was a 20% UD alt pulley, several runs, no change in power. Put the stock one back on. With the rear defroster on charging at idle was slightly compromised, down to about 13.5v.

Then I tried my 3" CAI, 6rwhp gain. I have tried about 7 different CAI combinations on these cars, 5-6.5rwhp is all you are going to see. Even a 4" CAI does not make a difference, and it just really kills the resolution of the maf signal. I have tried the C&L, demolet, JLT, GT airbox lid, steeda, 3" maf housing only that I made (keep the stock rubber tube), 3" full cai, 3.5" full cai, and 4" full cai. The stock rubber tube costs about 1rwhp if you are using the 3" maf housing or the steeda CAI. The steeda CAI maf housing is pretty much stock in size, about 70mm, the only reason it makes power is because the filter to maf is set up nicely. The biggest restriction in the 05 intakes is the airbox setup and the way it feeds off the top of a panel filter. I can't say that I think any of the CAIs out there are really worth the money for what they do. Most run $200-$300, some you could make with parts from home depot, others are nice cast alum or plastic pieces but that doesn't make any extra power. I think a CAI is worth an extra 1rwhp when you have upgraded exhaust.

Then I pulled the muffler off, 11rwhp and 7rwtq on top of the CAI, no loss in mid range. Pulled the catback tube off (after the Y pipe), lost TQ. Put the GT muffler on, lost about 1rwhp and 1rwtq over no muffler. The GT muffler is much lighter and larger if you look inside. The stock exhaust is dual 2.25" cat pipe into a single 2.5" catback. I think there would be very very little gain from going to true dual exhaust on an NA car with stock heads and cams. I had an 05 v6 manual on my dyno with just Y pipe duals that made 199rwhp.

Then I started dialing in the 93 oct tune with 93 in the tank. 8rwhp and 8rwtq gain. This tank was part 87 and part 93, I may go back with colder plugs and a full tank of 93 at some point. The car was borderline pinging.

The car is very sensitive to heatsoak, after I had done 6 or so runs and really got the car hot I needed to do a 10min minimum cool down, and 15-20min was better. This is with fans on the car and an 80-85* ambient temp.

I am pretty happy with the #s for the money I spent (next to nothing), I had an UD crank pulley but never got a chance to try it. The car is getting a blower so I will put true dual exhaust on it at some point.

On rebeccas car the GT airbox lid (v6 is 70mm, gt is 80mm) only made 1rwhp, on another car it made 3rwhp but the air filter was basically new. I am going to get a KN filter and try that a long with the GT lid, if it makes 5rwhp then it will be a pretty cheap upgrade.

justin00v6 · 03-20-2006, 05:26 AM

Oh the powerhouse guys told me that JBA headers were worth zip on their car NA.

Rygen · 03-20-2006, 05:51 AM

Justin,

That is very impressive, especially the TQ numbers. Well done!!!! Thank you for the write up!

MSP · 03-20-2006, 06:03 AM

Nice Work Justin! Put together quite well.. The blower project should be a pretty good experience since your really detailed in your desciptions..

I'll throw a few back for ya, in preperation for the Blower Insanity which is about to commence! LOL!!

Rookie · 03-20-2006, 06:18 AM

So - the basics on this is pretty simple - a CAI setup is virtually worthless, most of the gain you can see with many of the kits for the 05+ 3v engines (where they advertise 20-35hp) is due to the tune (most sell x-cal kits with them) and not the actual CAI kit.

MSP · 03-20-2006, 06:24 AM

I just needed to point out that the dyno sheet for a N/A 05 V6 Manual is nuts!! The best dyno I have ever seen!

@Rygen

Is that better than Zodiacs dyno? I cant remember..

@Justin

If this dyno sheet is any indication, I really am anxious to see your 10psi Vortech Dyno.. Are you going to be using the Diablo, or creating one with an SCT?

Also, I have made up my mind on the Zex NOS kit.. I will be using NOS to tickle the forced induction as opposed to water injection.. I will use a 55shot to bolster boost alittle.. My mind is made up.. So I hope this is also the route you take for your charged are cooling as well..

justin00v6 · 03-20-2006, 06:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rookie

So - the basics on this is pretty simple - a CAI setup is virtually worthless, most of the gain you can see with many of the kits for the 05+ 3v engines (where they advertise 20-35hp) is due to the tune (most sell x-cal kits with them) and not the actual CAI kit.

No, not worthless at all. The stock airbox on the v6 and GT does not flow very well, its a compromise. The V6 shows gains from a better intake setup, and the GT even more because it flows more air, but it is true a good % of the gains are from the tune.

justin00v6 · 03-20-2006, 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MSP

If this dyno sheet is any indication, I really am anxious to see your 10psi Vortech Dyno.. Are you going to be using the Diablo, or creating one with an SCT?

Do you think that I actually want my car to run like shit and blow up?

MSP · 03-20-2006, 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justin00v6

Do you think that I actually want my car to run like shit and blow up?

Not sure what you mean on this Justin.. Explain please..

Could this mean you hate Diablo?

slow · 03-20-2006, 06:34 AM

Canned predator tune, or a real custom tune by a company that has a good understanding of how the ETC control system works on the V6 mustangs

Even if I didn't work for SCT, there is no question who I would choose to tune a blown ETC V6 mustang.....

I would not take it as a hate thing, but a knowledge and support behind the product for this kind of application.

Ryan

MSP · 03-20-2006, 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slow

Canned predator tune, or a real custom tune by a company that has a good understanding of how the ETC control system works on the V6 mustangs

Even if I didn't work for SCT, there is no question who I would choose to tune a blown ETC V6 mustang.....

I would not take it as a hate thing, but a knowledge and support behind the product for this kind of application.

Ryan

Well that sounds great Sir! I just noticed after all this time Justin was a SCT retailer.. So my apologies for assuming the use of the Diablo..

For the record I must state that my car is running great.. However, if Justin can produce a tune with the SCT which keeps the A/F to no more than 10.5A/F @ WOT and can produce 326RWHP and about 330RWTQ @ 10psi using the SCT, I'll be the first customer of one of his custom tunes along with an SCT programmer.. Thats my promise..

Until then, I am a very happy Diablo Customer..

Seriously Justin, show me and I will buy, I promise!

slvr2000stang · 03-20-2006, 07:02 AM

Nice numbers on Rebecca's car.

Great info on the different mods too Justin.

Rookie · 03-20-2006, 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justin00v6

No, not worthless at all. The stock airbox on the v6 and GT does not flow very well, its a compromise. The V6 shows gains from a better intake setup, and the GT even more because it flows more air, but it is true a good % of the gains are from the tune.

You're right - my bad - misread it - lots of numbers there... lol... As for the exhaust - the stock GT exhaust is actually pretty good. I saw the numbers on the comparison for the 05's from a variety of companies and saw at most a 2-4hp difference between stock and the other performance companies. That shows that the stock cat-back flows pretty darn well. I find it interesting though that they spec a different muffler system for the V6 which has that much more restriction in it.

markg03 · 03-20-2006, 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MSP

Well that sounds great Sir! I just noticed after all this time Justin was a SCT retailer.. So my apologies for assuming the use of the Diablo..

For the record I must state that my car is running great.. However, if Justin can produce a tune with the SCT which keeps the A/F to no more than 10.5A/F @ WOT and can produce 326RWHP and about 330RWTQ @ 10psi using the SCT, I'll be the first customer of one of his custom tunes along with an SCT programmer.. Thats my promise..

Until then, I am a very happy Diablo Customer..

Seriously Justin, show me and I will buy, I promise!

I'm not knocking your car or comparing your V6 to my 06 GT, Justin tuned my GT with just the X-cal 2 and no other mods. The numbers are in my sig. I would'nt trade my X-cal 2 for anything else. Results 13.37 at 103 and 8.63 1/8th with 2.00 60ft. on stock Perelli's,

Justin knows his tuning!

Great numbers Justin!

_J_ · 03-20-2006, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justin00v6

I finally got rebeccas car on the dyno yesterday. It made 186rwhp and 225rwtq stock, with 87 in the tank.

...

once again ... great Job Justin ...

V604mustangjoe · 03-20-2006, 10:33 AM

wow, that thign is making more torque than a 99-04 GT is it not? and almost as much as a 05+?

fr396 · 03-20-2006, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by V604mustangjoe

wow, that thign is making more torque than a 99-04 GT is it not? and almost as much as a 05+?

No it's not quite up to 99-04 GT levels. I really like how smooth and flat the powerband is though.

Nick D98 · 03-20-2006, 11:17 AM

Like all the guys here, nice write up.

MSP · 03-20-2006, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fr396

No it's not quite up to 99-04 GT levels. I really like how smooth and flat the powerband is though.

1999 Ford Mustang GT Specs
4.6-liter SOHC V-8
260 horsepower @ 5250 rpm- 221RWHP
302 pound/feet @ 4000 rpm- 257RWTQ
56.5 horsepower/liter

Almost.. Not quite... But damn close!! Damn Close bubba!

If Justin sneezed on it on the dyno at about 5000RPM, he might get it!! LOL!

scrming · 03-20-2006, 01:10 PM

Great write up! The stock muffler is one thing we never tested... we were guessing a 10RWHP gain by going to the single Magnaflow... dang I guess it was a pretty darn good guess!!! LOL! Now you need to stick an Aero-Turbine muffler! We showed a 7RWHP gain over the Magnaflow! LOL!

justin00v6 · 03-20-2006, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by scrming

Great write up! The stock muffler is one thing we never tested... we were guessing a 10RWHP gain by going to the single Magnaflow... dang I guess it was a pretty darn good guess!!! LOL! Now you need to stick an Aero-Turbine muffler! We showed a 7RWHP gain over the Magnaflow! LOL!

Yeah but it made 11rwhp with no muffler, so unless that aero muffler works like a vacuum i don't think its going to make 10+7....

scrming · 03-20-2006, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by justin00v6

Yeah but it made 11rwhp with no muffler, so unless that aero muffler works like a vacuum i don't think its going to make 10+7....

Actually that is the whole idea... that's the science behind it.... I mean I had read it on their web page... Scott from MRT (a former Ford Mustang Engineer) explained it that way... I thought it was all a bunch of BS... I thought it was right up there with the Turbonator or Tornado... But I noticed a difference on the Butt Dyno so I took the car over to Lidio's and had him dyno the car... sure enough it showed a gain! Really noticable above 5500 too! The stupid thing really seems to work! I know it sounds crazy... Lidio couldn't believe it either... but he was like "If you butt dyno says it's there... and my dyno says it's there... well then it's there..." LOL! I mean it also sound pretty dang good!

Here's they dyno sheet:

we tried to be as fair as possible... but you can see where the Magnaflow does drop off quicker than the MRT...

My whole write up including video clips are at: http://www.tammyandjohn.com/Mustang/...ng.htm#muffler

I mean if you can get past the fart can look it a been incredible little muffler... oh.. and you can read about the science behind it at: http://www.aero-turbine.com/how/index.html

JIMP · 03-20-2006, 03:37 PM

Justin I think you should test it. We need a 3rd party.

justin00v6 · 03-20-2006, 04:31 PM

Well, the main reason I questioned it is because their is quite a science to dynoing cars and getting consistent #s out of them. But it may be worth looking at.

scrming · 03-21-2006, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by justin00v6

Well, the main reason I questioned it is because their is quite a science to dynoing cars and getting consistent #s out of them. But it may be worth looking at.

Yep, i don't blame you for questioning it... I know I did... LOL! MRT get $225 for the muffler which is the muffler, stainless steel axle pipe, stainless steel hangers and a nice chrome tip... You can probably put it together cheaper by just buying the muffler... but Scott does a nice jobs and I think it's a very fair price! Considering the Magnflow was $280ish! LOL!

http://www.mrt-direct.com/2005/Pages/mrtaxleback.php

Kelly · 03-22-2006, 09:15 PM

Very impressive.

Stone · 03-23-2006, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scrming

I mean if you can get past the fart can look it a been incredible little muffler... oh.. and you can read about the science behind it at: http://www.aero-turbine.com/how/index.html

That's a bunch of BS. Twisting, twirling, or "braiding" air is a great way to
slow it down. I know science can be boring, but a straight pipe means any
muffler every time.

scrming · 03-24-2006, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaston

That's a bunch of BS. Twisting, twirling, or "braiding" air is a great way to
slow it down. I know science can be boring, but a straight pipe means any
muffler every time.

It may be BS... but dang... it out performed my Magnaflow! LOL! (and was cheaper! and it sounded better too! LOL)

BTW... Scott mentioned that the muffler basically does the "Venturi" thing... basically creating a partial vacuum... more info on the Venturi effect: http://www.answers.com/topic/venturi-effect

Crazy98 · 04-03-2006, 08:39 PM

Nice write up Justin. Very interesting. I am also curios on that muffler. Test it. I'll donate 20.00 to the test.

Rygen · 04-04-2006, 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MSP

I just needed to point out that the dyno sheet for a N/A 05 V6 Manual is nuts!! The best dyno I have ever seen!

@Rygen

Is that better than Zodiacs dyno? I cant remember..

@Justin

If this dyno sheet is any indication, I really am anxious to see your 10psi Vortech Dyno.. Are you going to be using the Diablo, or creating one with an SCT?

Also, I have made up my mind on the Zex NOS kit.. I will be using NOS to tickle the forced induction as opposed to water injection.. I will use a 55shot to bolster boost alittle.. My mind is made up.. So I hope this is also the route you take for your charged are cooling as well..

Yes, Zodiac was at 208, but I think he wasn't running a CAI at the time. He's looking into getting a C&L or TI I think.

Rygen · 04-04-2006, 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by markg03

I'm not knocking your car or comparing your V6 to my 06 GT, Justin tuned my GT with just the X-cal 2 and no other mods. The numbers are in my sig. I would'nt trade my X-cal 2 for anything else. Results 13.37 at 103 and 8.63 1/8th with 2.00 60ft. on stock Perelli's,

Justin knows his tuning!

Great numbers Justin!

With your setup, those times are very very impressive.

Jetter · 08-03-2006, 11:35 AM

I have a V6 mustang. I picked that AeroExhaust muffler up at MRT and
had it installed. Tho it sounds really great its a bit louder then Id like.
If I go with the Magnaflow's, is it going to be just as loud? Id like something
in between stock and aeroexhaust. Anyone have any recommendations?

MSP · 08-03-2006, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jetter

I have a V6 mustang. I picked that AeroExhaust muffler up at MRT and
had it installed. Tho it sounds really great its a bit louder then Id like.
If I go with the Magnaflow's, is it going to be just as loud? Id like something
in between stock and aeroexhaust. Anyone have any recommendations?

Flowmaster Series 40's..

Jetter · 08-03-2006, 12:20 PM

The only muffler I could find on flowmaster's website was the 17421.
It doesnt mention what series it is

Does that sound about right?

MSP · 08-03-2006, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jetter

The only muffler I could find on flowmaster's website was the 17421.
It doesnt mention what series it is

Does that sound about right?

Most Muffler Shops keep the Series 40 in stock.. Its a really easy to find muffler.. Just call a local shop and see if they have it in stock.. Should not be a problem.. They should cost you about $40 bucks each..

67marvel06 · 08-05-2006, 09:43 AM

Justin, I noticed in your original post that you mentioned colder plugs. Have you tried this? I was also wondering if the Bosch Plus (as in plus 2,4) series plugs would do anything. That type of plug with multiple electrodes has been in use in the aviation industry for decades. Also wondered if an iridium plug would make any difference? Thanks for the excellent info in your posts.

justin00v6 · 08-12-2006, 09:18 PM

Colder plugs weren't available last time I checked. I would stick to conventional plugs, I don't believe multiple electrode or iridium are worth anything at all.

rmays06 · 08-27-2006, 04:16 PM

Great post with lots of usefull info...new hear but always direct here for the wonderful info.

JudgeThis · 08-29-2006, 01:04 AM

in for the subscription...

justin00v6 · 05-02-2007, 10:12 AM

UPDATE

After working on many 4.0s, including my brothers stock 06 I have learned more about the bolt-ons that these cars like.

My brother's car dynoed 3-4RWHP higher than Rebecca's car, when stock. The GT muffler swap on his car saw nearly a 12RWHP gain.

After further testing MAF/Filter only intakes I have found the stock rubber tube is not a restriction on the V6.

My VMP 05+ V6 Intake is now shipping, at a cost of $99:
http://www.vmptuning.com/store/index...=192&parent=82

I now offer the same parts we used on my wife's car (VMP Custom X-Cal2 tuner, VMP Intake, and GT take off muffler) in a "Power Package" on our website. http://www.vmptuning.com/store/index.php?p=product&id=200&parent=92 The gains are about 25RWHP and 20RWTQ, for $599 shipped.

DragoonRaven · 06-14-2007, 03:43 PM

Those are some really awesome numbers; my 91 5.0 makes 210rwhp with a lot more upgrades than just a CAI, muffler and tune. Very impressive!

Looks like Ford's stock rating of 210hp/240ft-lbs for the 4.0 is underrated by a fair amount -- all the stock numbers I see make it more like 235/265. The GT is underrated as well. What gives?

justin00v6 · 06-14-2007, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DragoonRaven

Those are some really awesome numbers; my 91 5.0 makes 210rwhp with a lot more upgrades than just a CAI, muffler and tune. Very impressive!

Looks like Ford's stock rating of 210hp/240ft-lbs for the 4.0 is underrated by a fair amount -- all the stock numbers I see make it more like 235/265. The GT is underrated as well. What gives?

I don't think the GTs or V6s are under rated by more than 5-10 at the most..

DragoonRaven · 06-15-2007, 05:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justin00v6

I don't think the GTs or V6s are under rated by more than 5-10 at the most..

If that's true then Ford must have put the most efficient transmission and drivetrain ever into these things.

On most cars I see dyno'd, the wheel horsepower/torque seem to hang out around 40-45 below normal ratings for manuals and about 50-60 for automatics just due to normal loss through the drivetrain. Stock GTs usually do about 275/290 at the wheels -- more than what you would think based on their 300/320 crank rating (should be about 320/335). Either way, getting what they do stock is damn fine with me -- I couldn't care less about a 210hp factory rating if it gets 190hp at the wheel, where it matters anyway.

I would understand if they played it safe and underrated everything after the '99 Cobra debacle, though they've been underrating things since the 60s. It also helps when certain competitors (ie, Camaro) return to the market believing Mustang to have only so much power based on factory ratings.

justin00v6 · 06-15-2007, 06:28 AM

The 99 cobra deal does have a lot to do with things.

I've seen some GTs manuals make 270s, but others only mid-low 260s.

03-20-2006, 05:18 AM	#1
justin00v6 Official V6power Sponsor Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Debary, Central FL Posts: 19,276	Rebecca's 06 4.0L Manual, 210rwhp and 247rwtq I finally got rebeccas car on the dyno yesterday. It made 186rwhp and 225rwtq stock, with 87 in the tank. First thing I tried was a 20% UD alt pulley, several runs, no change in power. Put the stock one back on. With the rear defroster on charging at idle was slightly compromised, down to about 13.5v. Then I tried my 3" CAI, 6rwhp gain. I have tried about 7 different CAI combinations on these cars, 5-6.5rwhp is all you are going to see. Even a 4" CAI does not make a difference, and it just really kills the resolution of the maf signal. I have tried the C&L, demolet, JLT, GT airbox lid, steeda, 3" maf housing only that I made (keep the stock rubber tube), 3" full cai, 3.5" full cai, and 4" full cai. The stock rubber tube costs about 1rwhp if you are using the 3" maf housing or the steeda CAI. The steeda CAI maf housing is pretty much stock in size, about 70mm, the only reason it makes power is because the filter to maf is set up nicely. The biggest restriction in the 05 intakes is the airbox setup and the way it feeds off the top of a panel filter. I can't say that I think any of the CAIs out there are really worth the money for what they do. Most run $200-$300, some you could make with parts from home depot, others are nice cast alum or plastic pieces but that doesn't make any extra power. I think a CAI is worth an extra 1rwhp when you have upgraded exhaust. Then I pulled the muffler off, 11rwhp and 7rwtq on top of the CAI, no loss in mid range. Pulled the catback tube off (after the Y pipe), lost TQ. Put the GT muffler on, lost about 1rwhp and 1rwtq over no muffler. The GT muffler is much lighter and larger if you look inside. The stock exhaust is dual 2.25" cat pipe into a single 2.5" catback. I think there would be very very little gain from going to true dual exhaust on an NA car with stock heads and cams. I had an 05 v6 manual on my dyno with just Y pipe duals that made 199rwhp. Then I started dialing in the 93 oct tune with 93 in the tank. 8rwhp and 8rwtq gain. This tank was part 87 and part 93, I may go back with colder plugs and a full tank of 93 at some point. The car was borderline pinging. The car is very sensitive to heatsoak, after I had done 6 or so runs and really got the car hot I needed to do a 10min minimum cool down, and 15-20min was better. This is with fans on the car and an 80-85* ambient temp. I am pretty happy with the #s for the money I spent (next to nothing), I had an UD crank pulley but never got a chance to try it. The car is getting a blower so I will put true dual exhaust on it at some point. On rebeccas car the GT airbox lid (v6 is 70mm, gt is 80mm) only made 1rwhp, on another car it made 3rwhp but the air filter was basically new. I am going to get a KN filter and try that a long with the GT lid, if it makes 5rwhp then it will be a pretty cheap upgrade. __________________ Justin Starkey - Ford & GM custom tuning VMP Tuning - Ford Mustang Tuning V6 LX GT 3.8L 4.2L 4.0L 4.6L 5.4L DOHC SOHC 2V 3V 4V Mobile Dyno Jet 224xLC with Load Control Justin@VMPTuning.com 321-206-9369 2007 Shelby GT500 12.3@116 stock tires & tune 2006 F250 6.0L - 14.3@93 2000 Mustang 3.8 A4 TT 450RWHP/475RWTQ@17psi & 10.9@127 1.7 60ft@17psi stock motor 2006 Mustang 4.0 M5 Vortech 15psi 395RWHP 12.5@110 wife's car Last edited by justin00v6 : 03-20-2006 at 05:20 AM.

03-20-2006, 05:51 AM	#3
Rygen Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 423	Justin, That is very impressive, especially the TQ numbers. Well done!!!! Thank you for the write up! __________________ Best 1/4: 10.97@122.09, 1.56 60ft w/4.0 V6 Best 1/4: 11.67@115.45, 1.64 60ft w/5.4 3V Best 1/8: 7.401@92.77, 1.65 60ft w/5.4 3V

03-20-2006, 06:18 AM	#5
Rookie Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Deetwat, MI Posts: 8,479	So - the basics on this is pretty simple - a CAI setup is virtually worthless, most of the gain you can see with many of the kits for the 05+ 3v engines (where they advertise 20-35hp) is due to the tune (most sell x-cal kits with them) and not the actual CAI kit. __________________ 00 V6 Vert, RR's, UCA/LCA's, Coil-overs, Alum Driveshaft/Flywheel, FMS subframes, 6pt strut tower brace, 3.73's, SVO 7.5 Diff girdle, stainless catted xpipe, Magnaflow GT catback, cold air intake, Morana intake with GT plenum, 70mm BBK throttle body, 13" Cobra front brakes. 2005 V6 Vert 5spd. UDP. AirRaid CAI. M-5230-V6 FRPP exhaust kit. SCT Tuned. Lowered. Dammit.

03-20-2006, 06:24 AM	#6
MSP Darwin Award Winner Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 19	I just needed to point out that the dyno sheet for a N/A 05 V6 Manual is nuts!! The best dyno I have ever seen! @Rygen Is that better than Zodiacs dyno? I cant remember.. @Justin If this dyno sheet is any indication, I really am anxious to see your 10psi Vortech Dyno.. Are you going to be using the Diablo, or creating one with an SCT? Also, I have made up my mind on the Zex NOS kit.. I will be using NOS to tickle the forced induction as opposed to water injection.. I will use a 55shot to bolster boost alittle.. My mind is made up.. So I hope this is also the route you take for your charged are cooling as well.. Last edited by MSP : 03-20-2006 at 06:27 AM.

03-20-2006, 06:34 AM	#10
slow Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: orlando Posts: 4,034	Canned predator tune, or a real custom tune by a company that has a good understanding of how the ETC control system works on the V6 mustangs Even if I didn't work for SCT, there is no question who I would choose to tune a blown ETC V6 mustang..... I would not take it as a hate thing, but a knowledge and support behind the product for this kind of application. Ryan __________________ 1998 WS6 TA M6 #370 2006 QSM Pontiac GTO M6

03-20-2006, 05:26 AM	#2
justin00v6 Official V6power Sponsor Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Debary, Central FL Posts: 19,276	Oh the powerhouse guys told me that JBA headers were worth zip on their car NA.

03-20-2006, 06:03 AM	#4
MSP Darwin Award Winner Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 19	Nice Work Justin! Put together quite well.. The blower project should be a pretty good experience since your really detailed in your desciptions.. I'll throw a few back for ya, in preperation for the Blower Insanity which is about to commence! LOL!!

03-20-2006, 07:02 AM	#12
slvr2000stang Brand D statistic Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Chicago 'Burbs Posts: 19,603	Nice numbers on Rebecca's car. Great info on the different mods too Justin. __________________ Project Phoenix will rise from the ashes And it will be known as Darth Vader Thanks to: David Youghn \| Tom @ www.supersixmotorsports.com \| Artie @ www.artsperformanceparts.com George @ www.accufabracing.com 3.8 H/C/I 242 rwhp Custom 4.2 246 rwhp

03-20-2006, 10:33 AM	#16
V604mustangjoe Captain of the Short Bus Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Novi, Michigan Posts: 4,328	wow, that thign is making more torque than a 99-04 GT is it not? and almost as much as a 05+? __________________ "Made on a Mac using windows with paint, because apple can't do this out of the box "

03-20-2006, 11:17 AM	#18
Nick D98 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Torrance, CA Posts: 20,238	Like all the guys here, nice write up.

03-20-2006, 01:10 PM	#20
scrming Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 166	Great write up! The stock muffler is one thing we never tested... we were guessing a 10RWHP gain by going to the single Magnaflow... dang I guess it was a pretty darn good guess!!! LOL! Now you need to stick an Aero-Turbine muffler! We showed a 7RWHP gain over the Magnaflow! LOL! __________________ John - The V6 Apologist The Mistress... Powered by Ford... Blown by Vortech... Built by MRT... More details at: Our Little Pony!

03-20-2006, 03:37 PM	#23
JIMP Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 30	Justin I think you should test it. We need a 3rd party. __________________ 2005 Black Premium V6 GT Bullit wheels and tires, Steeda CAI, Magnaflow Axle-back, SCT-2, GT Grill, Zex, PROLift Hood struts, GT front and rear sway bars, TrueTrac, Motive 3.73 gears, TA Performance Girdle, Zex, remote bottle opener, bottle heater, purge kit. Best track time: 13.5@100MPH (100 shot) 271RWHP and 349RWTQ (100 shot) Powerhouse CHE LCAs M&H Drag radials

03-20-2006, 04:31 PM	#24
justin00v6 Official V6power Sponsor Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Debary, Central FL Posts: 19,276	Well, the main reason I questioned it is because their is quite a science to dynoing cars and getting consistent #s out of them. But it may be worth looking at. __________________ Justin Starkey - Ford & GM custom tuning VMP Tuning - Ford Mustang Tuning V6 LX GT 3.8L 4.2L 4.0L 4.6L 5.4L DOHC SOHC 2V 3V 4V Mobile Dyno Jet 224xLC with Load Control Justin@VMPTuning.com 321-206-9369 2007 Shelby GT500 12.3@116 stock tires & tune 2006 F250 6.0L - 14.3@93 2000 Mustang 3.8 A4 TT 450RWHP/475RWTQ@17psi & 10.9@127 1.7 60ft@17psi stock motor 2006 Mustang 4.0 M5 Vortech 15psi 395RWHP 12.5@110 wife's car

03-22-2006, 09:15 PM	#26
Kelly Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: I'M A DUDE, dude! Posts: 1,552	Very impressive. __________________ 2003 DSG Mustang Cobra 452/460 2002 V6 Auto: 13.95@98.15 (206.9rwhp/220.7rwtq) SOLD 3200 PI stall, B&M tranny cooler RPM 207/207 110* LCA 106* IC cam RPM p&p upper (no posts) & lower intakes RPM 65mm GT TB Densecharger 7.5 rear w/ frpp 4.10s and t-lok ASP UD pulley SCT Xcalibrator 2 tuned by Justin Mac Ceramic LT\'s, Catted X, SS Spintech Prostreets FMS Aluminum DS C springs w/ bullitt shocks/struts Pro 3i LCA\'s

04-03-2006, 08:39 PM	#29
Crazy98 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Menifee, SoCal Posts: 1,020	Nice write up Justin. Very interesting. I am also curios on that muffler. Test it. I'll donate 20.00 to the test. __________________ 98 auto, parting out my car. See For Sale forum 4R7OW 5K mile, ported and completely redone heads and cam 0 miles Comp Cams Roller Rockers. Everything,

08-03-2006, 11:35 AM	#32
Jetter Noob Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 4	I have a V6 mustang. I picked that AeroExhaust muffler up at MRT and had it installed. Tho it sounds really great its a bit louder then Id like. If I go with the Magnaflow's, is it going to be just as loud? Id like something in between stock and aeroexhaust. Anyone have any recommendations?

08-03-2006, 12:20 PM	#34
Jetter Noob Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 4	The only muffler I could find on flowmaster's website was the 17421. It doesnt mention what series it is Does that sound about right?

08-05-2006, 09:43 AM	#36
67marvel06 Noob Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28	Justin, I noticed in your original post that you mentioned colder plugs. Have you tried this? I was also wondering if the Bosch Plus (as in plus 2,4) series plugs would do anything. That type of plug with multiple electrodes has been in use in the aviation industry for decades. Also wondered if an iridium plug would make any difference? Thanks for the excellent info in your posts. __________________ '06 Performance White Coupe w/ Pony Pkg '05 Windveil Blue 'vert (wifey's car) '00 F-150 (real horse hauler) used to have (start to finish?) '67 White Fastback 2+2 (first car, miss it BAD) '83 GT '69 Mach 1 (miss this one, too!) '84 LX 'vert (wifey's) '02 GT 'vert

08-12-2006, 09:18 PM	#37
justin00v6 Official V6power Sponsor Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Debary, Central FL Posts: 19,276	Colder plugs weren't available last time I checked. I would stick to conventional plugs, I don't believe multiple electrode or iridium are worth anything at all. __________________ Justin Starkey - Ford & GM custom tuning VMP Tuning - Ford Mustang Tuning V6 LX GT 3.8L 4.2L 4.0L 4.6L 5.4L DOHC SOHC 2V 3V 4V Mobile Dyno Jet 224xLC with Load Control Justin@VMPTuning.com 321-206-9369 2007 Shelby GT500 12.3@116 stock tires & tune 2006 F250 6.0L - 14.3@93 2000 Mustang 3.8 A4 TT 450RWHP/475RWTQ@17psi & 10.9@127 1.7 60ft@17psi stock motor 2006 Mustang 4.0 M5 Vortech 15psi 395RWHP 12.5@110 wife's car

08-27-2006, 04:16 PM	#38
rmays06 Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 33	Great post with lots of usefull info...new hear but always direct here for the wonderful info.

08-29-2006, 01:04 AM	#39
JudgeThis Noob Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 7	in for the subscription... __________________ '06 Mustang - Torch Red Pony - The Fast Car '05 GTO - Impulse Blue Goat - Ready To Come Back '88 TA - Screaming Red Chicken. - For Sale My god, my driveway is a farm. 15.85 liters of junk.

05-02-2007, 10:12 AM	#40
justin00v6 Official V6power Sponsor Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Debary, Central FL Posts: 19,276	UPDATE After working on many 4.0s, including my brothers stock 06 I have learned more about the bolt-ons that these cars like. My brother's car dynoed 3-4RWHP higher than Rebecca's car, when stock. The GT muffler swap on his car saw nearly a 12RWHP gain. After further testing MAF/Filter only intakes I have found the stock rubber tube is not a restriction on the V6. My VMP 05+ V6 Intake is now shipping, at a cost of $99: http://www.vmptuning.com/store/index...=192&parent=82 I now offer the same parts we used on my wife's car (VMP Custom X-Cal2 tuner, VMP Intake, and GT take off muffler) in a "Power Package" on our website. http://www.vmptuning.com/store/index.php?p=product&id=200&parent=92 The gains are about 25RWHP and 20RWTQ, for $599 shipped. __________________ Justin Starkey - Ford & GM custom tuning VMP Tuning - Ford Mustang Tuning V6 LX GT 3.8L 4.2L 4.0L 4.6L 5.4L DOHC SOHC 2V 3V 4V Mobile Dyno Jet 224xLC with Load Control Justin@VMPTuning.com 321-206-9369 2007 Shelby GT500 12.3@116 stock tires & tune 2006 F250 6.0L - 14.3@93 2000 Mustang 3.8 A4 TT 450RWHP/475RWTQ@17psi & 10.9@127 1.7 60ft@17psi stock motor 2006 Mustang 4.0 M5 Vortech 15psi 395RWHP 12.5@110 wife's car

06-14-2007, 03:43 PM	#41
DragoonRaven Noob Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 9	Those are some really awesome numbers; my 91 5.0 makes 210rwhp with a lot more upgrades than just a CAI, muffler and tune. Very impressive! Looks like Ford's stock rating of 210hp/240ft-lbs for the 4.0 is underrated by a fair amount -- all the stock numbers I see make it more like 235/265. The GT is underrated as well. What gives? __________________ 2005 Mustang 4.0 5-speed Windveil Coupe - "Project Secret Snake"! 1991 Mustang 5.0 LX Auto Convertible

06-15-2007, 06:28 AM	#44
justin00v6 Official V6power Sponsor Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Debary, Central FL Posts: 19,276	The 99 cobra deal does have a lot to do with things. I've seen some GTs manuals make 270s, but others only mid-low 260s. __________________ Justin Starkey - Ford & GM custom tuning VMP Tuning - Ford Mustang Tuning V6 LX GT 3.8L 4.2L 4.0L 4.6L 5.4L DOHC SOHC 2V 3V 4V Mobile Dyno Jet 224xLC with Load Control Justin@VMPTuning.com 321-206-9369 2007 Shelby GT500 12.3@116 stock tires & tune 2006 F250 6.0L - 14.3@93 2000 Mustang 3.8 A4 TT 450RWHP/475RWTQ@17psi & 10.9@127 1.7 60ft@17psi stock motor 2006 Mustang 4.0 M5 Vortech 15psi 395RWHP 12.5@110 wife's car

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